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		<title>By: Sarah Bartell (Little Lioness)</title>
		<link>http://www.felinest.com/white-tigers-are-not-natural/#comment-1359</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Bartell (Little Lioness)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White lions are a more common occurance than white tigers, as their color difference is caused by a recessive gene as opposed to a freak mutation. It&#039;s a lot like melanism among leopards or jaguars. Because of this, they&#039;re not as inbred as tigers, but are still not safe from irresponsible breeding.

The issue with white lions in the wild is that they don&#039;t survive well due to their coloration, and don&#039;t usually pass on the white gene since females are actually attracted to males with darker manes (darker-maned males usually have more testosterone, and are therefore better-suited to caring for a pride). 

People who believe that white lions are a subspecies are greatly mistaken. This is not the case. As with white tigers, they are considered to be &#039;genetic aberrations&#039; by conservation groups and zoologists worldwide.

White lions which are released into reserves will eventually die out due to lioness&#039; attraction to males with darker manes, and will be displaced by stronger, normally-pigmented males.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White lions are a more common occurance than white tigers, as their color difference is caused by a recessive gene as opposed to a freak mutation. It&#8217;s a lot like melanism among leopards or jaguars. Because of this, they&#8217;re not as inbred as tigers, but are still not safe from irresponsible breeding.</p>
<p>The issue with white lions in the wild is that they don&#8217;t survive well due to their coloration, and don&#8217;t usually pass on the white gene since females are actually attracted to males with darker manes (darker-maned males usually have more testosterone, and are therefore better-suited to caring for a pride). </p>
<p>People who believe that white lions are a subspecies are greatly mistaken. This is not the case. As with white tigers, they are considered to be &#8216;genetic aberrations&#8217; by conservation groups and zoologists worldwide.</p>
<p>White lions which are released into reserves will eventually die out due to lioness&#8217; attraction to males with darker manes, and will be displaced by stronger, normally-pigmented males.</p>
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		<title>By: A.PAY</title>
		<link>http://www.felinest.com/white-tigers-are-not-natural/#comment-1356</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi I would be interested to know more about the white lions.I believe that in the 70&#039;s some cubs were taken from the wild in South Africa and put in the zoo at Pretoria as it was thought they couldn&#039;t survive in the wild. There seem to be a lot of them in captivity now. Is this a similar case to that of the white tigers. I have also read that some conservation bodies are re-introducing them into South Africa at the same time trying to get them recognised as a seperate subspecies.Any thoughts or information would be appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I would be interested to know more about the white lions.I believe that in the 70&#8217;s some cubs were taken from the wild in South Africa and put in the zoo at Pretoria as it was thought they couldn&#8217;t survive in the wild. There seem to be a lot of them in captivity now. Is this a similar case to that of the white tigers. I have also read that some conservation bodies are re-introducing them into South Africa at the same time trying to get them recognised as a seperate subspecies.Any thoughts or information would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: morgan mason</title>
		<link>http://www.felinest.com/white-tigers-are-not-natural/#comment-1095</link>
		<dc:creator>morgan mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my favorit animal is a lion tigers and jaguars and everone asks me are white tigers helthy and i will say no then they will ask why  because they cant blend in with the grass like the balgle tiger can because of this there is so many tigers left in this world there is ony about 200,000 left  and i have seen that tiger that you guys have on this website the on that was aboused it got taken out of the wild and got aboused badly help the tigers even if you dont know how care about them!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my favorit animal is a lion tigers and jaguars and everone asks me are white tigers helthy and i will say no then they will ask why  because they cant blend in with the grass like the balgle tiger can because of this there is so many tigers left in this world there is ony about 200,000 left  and i have seen that tiger that you guys have on this website the on that was aboused it got taken out of the wild and got aboused badly help the tigers even if you dont know how care about them!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Bartell (Little Lioness)</title>
		<link>http://www.felinest.com/white-tigers-are-not-natural/#comment-869</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Bartell (Little Lioness)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the delayed reply in answering your question, Stephen. 

Unfortunately, claims of white tigers being unrelated to the original breeding founder (Mohan, mentioned above) are completely unfounded. I have even emailed the directer of Dreamworld Australia&#039;s Tiger Island, mentioned in the wikipedia article you are referring to. He denies all claims that their tigers are not inbred, and (reluctantly) admits that they indeed are.

What you have to consider is the fact that zoos were not required to keep studbook information until the 1980s. No known carriers of the white gene had occurred anywhere in captivity outside of Mohan&#039;s bloodline during the years prior to that point. But since zoos wee not required to keep track of which tigers in which zoos mated with who, it became very difficult for conservationists to track which tigers had good, non-inbred genetics. 

For this very reason, no Begal Tigers from the United States are allowed to participate in the Species Survival Plan. Almost all of them are suspected to be in some way related to each other, but it&#039;s nearly impossible to tell without DNA testing. Of course, testing every tiger in the US would be impossibly expensive and therefore impractical.

Whoever wrote the information on Wikipedia was probably mistaken into thinking that only white tigers could produce white offspring, which would naturally make them believe that an orange tiger mating with a white tiger to produce white offspring would not be inbreeding. But any captive carrier of the white gene is already the product of inbreeding. So there is still a high chance that the resulting offspring will suffer and die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the delayed reply in answering your question, Stephen. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, claims of white tigers being unrelated to the original breeding founder (Mohan, mentioned above) are completely unfounded. I have even emailed the directer of Dreamworld Australia&#8217;s Tiger Island, mentioned in the wikipedia article you are referring to. He denies all claims that their tigers are not inbred, and (reluctantly) admits that they indeed are.</p>
<p>What you have to consider is the fact that zoos were not required to keep studbook information until the 1980s. No known carriers of the white gene had occurred anywhere in captivity outside of Mohan&#8217;s bloodline during the years prior to that point. But since zoos wee not required to keep track of which tigers in which zoos mated with who, it became very difficult for conservationists to track which tigers had good, non-inbred genetics. </p>
<p>For this very reason, no Begal Tigers from the United States are allowed to participate in the Species Survival Plan. Almost all of them are suspected to be in some way related to each other, but it&#8217;s nearly impossible to tell without DNA testing. Of course, testing every tiger in the US would be impossibly expensive and therefore impractical.</p>
<p>Whoever wrote the information on Wikipedia was probably mistaken into thinking that only white tigers could produce white offspring, which would naturally make them believe that an orange tiger mating with a white tiger to produce white offspring would not be inbreeding. But any captive carrier of the white gene is already the product of inbreeding. So there is still a high chance that the resulting offspring will suffer and die.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.felinest.com/white-tigers-are-not-natural/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of curiosity (and NOT totally believing wikipedia) there ARE supposed to be other lines other than Mohan..... 

Add that to breeding with normal orange tigers that also have part of the white tiger genetic make up...

Read sections :-

Tony, Bagheera, and Frosty: A new strain

and especially

The Orissa strain

No bengal.. only Amur..

As well as the comments &quot;Strabismus is associated with white tigers of mixed Bengal/Siberian ancestry. Strabismus is directly linked to a gene and is not a separate consequence of inbreeding&quot;

Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity (and NOT totally believing wikipedia) there ARE supposed to be other lines other than Mohan&#8230;.. </p>
<p>Add that to breeding with normal orange tigers that also have part of the white tiger genetic make up&#8230;</p>
<p>Read sections :-</p>
<p>Tony, Bagheera, and Frosty: A new strain</p>
<p>and especially</p>
<p>The Orissa strain</p>
<p>No bengal.. only Amur..</p>
<p>As well as the comments &#8220;Strabismus is associated with white tigers of mixed Bengal/Siberian ancestry. Strabismus is directly linked to a gene and is not a separate consequence of inbreeding&#8221;</p>
<p>Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Bartell (Little Lioness)</title>
		<link>http://www.felinest.com/white-tigers-are-not-natural/#comment-549</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Bartell (Little Lioness)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, XXX. I wish it were a lie, as well. But the last report of a white tiger seen in the wild was in 1858. That tiger was later reported dead. Today, all captive tigers come from one single cat named Mohan, which, if you know anything about genetics, means that they are pretty much like the royal family of big cats. 

On the note of zoos, I do believe that many stand for a good cause. If they have conservation in mind, though, they will not breed white tigers or other abnormal animals like ligers and such. Such practice has no place in modern animal care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, XXX. I wish it were a lie, as well. But the last report of a white tiger seen in the wild was in 1858. That tiger was later reported dead. Today, all captive tigers come from one single cat named Mohan, which, if you know anything about genetics, means that they are pretty much like the royal family of big cats. </p>
<p>On the note of zoos, I do believe that many stand for a good cause. If they have conservation in mind, though, they will not breed white tigers or other abnormal animals like ligers and such. Such practice has no place in modern animal care.</p>
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		<title>By: xxx</title>
		<link>http://www.felinest.com/white-tigers-are-not-natural/#comment-548</link>
		<dc:creator>xxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think this is a lie there are several known white tigers in the wild.yes some are deformed for the reasons stated but you can not put this on all of them

also not all zoos are bad i have been to several zoos my fave been chester zoo because the animals are not over crouded and they are well looked after</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think this is a lie there are several known white tigers in the wild.yes some are deformed for the reasons stated but you can not put this on all of them</p>
<p>also not all zoos are bad i have been to several zoos my fave been chester zoo because the animals are not over crouded and they are well looked after</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Bartell (Little Lioness)</title>
		<link>http://www.felinest.com/white-tigers-are-not-natural/#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Bartell (Little Lioness)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 16:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the article does a pretty good job of explaining that white tigers can occur naturally in the wild. The issue is that in order to get the white gene to show, both Bengal tiger parents need to have a copy of it. In nature, the chances of this happening are about 1 in 10,000. In cases such as this, the tiger cubs are usually very healthy, but there have been multiple reports of mothers attempting to smother or refusing to nurse these abnormally-colored offspring. Researchers believe that this is because adult wild tigers instinctively know that white and golden tabby tigers have a lesser chance of surviving past their first year than normal ones.

In captivity, the only way for two copies of the white gene to meet is through repeated inbreeding. Not all offspring will be white, though, even if the parents were inbred. Some of the litter may be golden tabby or normal orange. Breeders will often display these cats and say &quot;We&#039;re not inbreeding! See? That tiger is not white or golden tabby; he&#039;s orange!&quot; 
The fact is, said orange tiger only received one copy of the white gene instead of two, and can still be bred with a another already-inbred tiger to produce more abnormally-colored cubs. The issue with this, of course, is that since all white tigers come from one single cat (named Mohan) who was inbred to his own offspring, there is no possible way for inbreeding to NOT occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the article does a pretty good job of explaining that white tigers can occur naturally in the wild. The issue is that in order to get the white gene to show, both Bengal tiger parents need to have a copy of it. In nature, the chances of this happening are about 1 in 10,000. In cases such as this, the tiger cubs are usually very healthy, but there have been multiple reports of mothers attempting to smother or refusing to nurse these abnormally-colored offspring. Researchers believe that this is because adult wild tigers instinctively know that white and golden tabby tigers have a lesser chance of surviving past their first year than normal ones.</p>
<p>In captivity, the only way for two copies of the white gene to meet is through repeated inbreeding. Not all offspring will be white, though, even if the parents were inbred. Some of the litter may be golden tabby or normal orange. Breeders will often display these cats and say &#8220;We&#8217;re not inbreeding! See? That tiger is not white or golden tabby; he&#8217;s orange!&#8221;<br />
The fact is, said orange tiger only received one copy of the white gene instead of two, and can still be bred with a another already-inbred tiger to produce more abnormally-colored cubs. The issue with this, of course, is that since all white tigers come from one single cat (named Mohan) who was inbred to his own offspring, there is no possible way for inbreeding to NOT occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Jemma g</title>
		<link>http://www.felinest.com/white-tigers-are-not-natural/#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>Jemma g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 13:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inbreeding is disgusting and wrong and causes unwanted problems no matter what the species is. As the pictures above show, severe deformaties are produced and this seriously diminishes the animals life and health. In breeding to get required profiles is ridiculous the animals are perfect the way they are. White tigers are not all in bred, the statement is technically incorrect as it is a natural recessive gene that only happens to be a problem when the breeder selects the genes that are used, this is what causes problems. When left to mate naturally, although the chance of white tigers is seriously reduced, the cubs produced are healthy and perfectly formed, although they may be white, when inbred they are not always perfectly formed and tend to have problems so this should really be disregarded as saying that white tigers are man made. Its not technically true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inbreeding is disgusting and wrong and causes unwanted problems no matter what the species is. As the pictures above show, severe deformaties are produced and this seriously diminishes the animals life and health. In breeding to get required profiles is ridiculous the animals are perfect the way they are. White tigers are not all in bred, the statement is technically incorrect as it is a natural recessive gene that only happens to be a problem when the breeder selects the genes that are used, this is what causes problems. When left to mate naturally, although the chance of white tigers is seriously reduced, the cubs produced are healthy and perfectly formed, although they may be white, when inbred they are not always perfectly formed and tend to have problems so this should really be disregarded as saying that white tigers are man made. Its not technically true.</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
		<link>http://www.felinest.com/white-tigers-are-not-natural/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If an animal is endangered, what is the use of keeping its population up if that population isn&#039;t in the wild?

Eventually all tigers will live in zoos. What is the point of that? We don&#039;t need to keep the population thriving in captivity, we need to change the conditions we&#039;ve created in the wild.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If an animal is endangered, what is the use of keeping its population up if that population isn&#8217;t in the wild?</p>
<p>Eventually all tigers will live in zoos. What is the point of that? We don&#8217;t need to keep the population thriving in captivity, we need to change the conditions we&#8217;ve created in the wild.</p>
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